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  1. John Radcliffe permalink
    October 22, 2015 6:12 pm

    Hi Kurk

    While I’m not surprised to find you still blogging, not having dropped by for a couple of years or so, I do find it sad to find people still trotting out the same nauseating nonsense as the post you link to here. I’m afraid I don’t have the stomach for those attitudes (just as I avoid movies with gratuitous sex or violence), but I’m glad that some people are willing to engage them.

    It seems strange to me that, while such people often suggest that the idea of equality within marriage is culturally conditioned, they completely miss that in fact it is their patriarchal ideas that are so conditioned – in their case the relevant culture being that which pertained in first century Graeco-Roman society. I fail to see why that should encapsulate “God’s ideal” rather than any other.

    Best wishes

  2. October 23, 2015 9:49 am

    Hi John,

    What a delight to hear from you, if under the circumstances of blogging about the persistent sexist blogging. My post here was prompted by one of my graduate students in a course asking for more contemporary readings. This week we have been discussing the earliest Roman and Greek concepts of female as researched by Prudence Allen in her The Concept of Woman: The Aristotelian Revolution 750 Bc-Ad 1250 (1997) and by F. A. Wright in his Feminism In Greek Literature From Homer To Aristotle. The latter, in the introduction, declares, “The position of women and the position of slaves — for the two classes went together — were the canker-spots which, left unhealed, brought about the decay first of Athens and then of Greece.”

    It seems the cancer and the unhealed rot of patriarchy has continued to infect the interpretations and of justifications of sexism as it applies to marriage for at least this one blogger. He explains about himself: “While I do not have a degree in theology I have studied the Scriptures in high school and for most of my adult life(so about 25 years).” He seems not to acknowledge any of the influences of the Greek masculinist thinking on his own (although he also uses “the Scriptures” to rationalize his mentality about enslavement of humans in addition to his justifying his mindset about keeping a wife).

    Thank you for making the connections between the later “first century Graeco-Roman society” and the blogging in this one.

    Warm regards,

  3. John Radcliffe permalink
    October 24, 2015 6:53 pm

    Kurk, thanks as ever for the welcome.
    Scanning the post you linked to reminded me of being asked at least a couple of times recently whether my mother was “doing as she was told”. Let me provide some background to that.
    Two years ago the owner/directors of the firm where I had worked for over 27 years sold the business. While after the sale I still had a job, I soon found that my new role was very different to the old one. The silver lining in that particular cloud, however, was that it made it much easier a year later to give the job up in order to care for my mother. Since March last year she has suffered episodes of severe pain in her right leg and hip and so, as that and other health issues developed, I decided I had to stop trying to keep the two balls (of job and her care) in the air, and so from March this year I have been a full-time carer. It’s been a rough ride so far, and emotionally draining as I don’t know what a day will bring (for example, she had a good day yesterday, but has hardly been out of bed today).
    Anyway, to return to the question of my mother “doing as she was told” – I’ve made it clear to her that I don’t see it as up to me to tell her what to do – she’s a responsible adult, so while I will advise and may tell her what I think she should do, I firmly believe she still has the right to make decisions for herself. I don’t see why old people should be treated like children. As I see it, I’m here to care for my mother – not to run her life for her and micromanage each day.
    I’ll leave the reader to draw the parallel with the exercise of “authority” in marriage.
    (Incidentally … after the announcement that I was leaving “for family reasons” was emailed round at work a number of people asked me about it. When I explained, it was clear that many of the men simply didn’t “get it” – but nearly all the women did. I’d guess that women are more used to balancing career and family and having to make sacrifices and reach compromises than men typically are.)

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